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The Future of Education: Rethinking Traditional Methods

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The discourse surrounding the transformative potential of education is vividly illustrated through the explorations presented in the recent series of Education on Fire. Each episode immerses the listener in the innovative methodologies employed by a myriad of educators who ardently advocate for systemic change as well as individual empowerment.

The concept of backward design, championed by Dr. James Mannion, is a focal point in this series, wherein educators are encouraged to define desired outcomes prior to identifying effective methodologies to achieve such goals. This paradigm shift not only challenges the conventional notions of educational reform but also underscores the necessity for a holistic understanding of the root causes of disparities within the educational system. Furthermore, the series highlights the significance of self-regulated learning, empowering students to take ownership of their educational journeys.

Overall, the episodes serve as a clarion call for educators and stakeholders to engage in thoughtful reflection and action towards creating a more equitable educational landscape.Takeaways:

  • The Education on Fire podcast emphasizes the importance of rethinking traditional educational systems to better serve diverse student needs.
  • Dr. James Mannion advocates for a backward design approach, focusing on defining desired outcomes before implementing educational strategies.
  • Self-regulated learning empowers students to take ownership of their educational journey, enhancing their engagement and motivation.
  • The approach taken by Oxford Business College illustrates how supportive environments can significantly impact non-traditional learners’ success.
  • JPA’s focus on creating safe spaces for children addresses the need for nurturing environments that foster mental health and well-being.
  • The integration of technology in education serves to enhance learning experiences, making education more interactive and engaging for students.

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This is my 2nd AI generated podcast. I wanted to explore how it would create a insightful round up of my recent shows since November 2024. The show notes above are also AI generated using the tool within my hosting company Captivate. https://educationonfire.com/captivate

It is pretty accurate however Shelby Kretz’s organisation is called Little Justice Leaders which is misquoted in the podcast. I gave the AI the information from my website for episodes 418 – 434.

If you want to easily find details of all the shows covered please visit https://www.educationonfire.com/start-here/

Transcript
Speaker A

Hello, my name is Mark Taylor and welcome to the Education on Far podcast, the place for creative and inspiring learning from around the world.

Speaker A

Listen to teachers, parents and mentors share how they are supporting children to live their best, authentic life and are proving to be a guiding light to us all.

Speaker B

Welcome to our deep dive into the fascinating world of Education on Fire.

Speaker B

You know, where we're exploring innovative approaches to learning and student well being.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker B

We've got a stack of episodes from this podcast ready to go, each offering unique perspectives and stories, and we're excited to share some really thought provoking insights with you today.

Speaker C

Yeah, it's.

Speaker C

It's fascinating to consider how these different approaches, while diverse, often share common threads.

Speaker C

There's a real sense of urgency and passion driving these educators and organizations to challenge the status quo and truly empower the next generation.

Speaker B

Absolutely.

Speaker B

Our first stop is with Dr.

Speaker B

James Mannion, who's advocating for a concept called backward design to create lasting change in education.

Speaker B

It's not just about tweaking the existing system, it's about rethinking it entirely.

Speaker C

What's intriguing about backward design is that it flips the script on traditional education reform.

Speaker C

Instead of jumping to solutions, you start by clearly defining your desired outcome.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker C

For instance, if the goal is closing the disadvantage gap, you first meticulously analyze the root causes of that gap.

Speaker B

That's a really different way of looking at it.

Speaker B

It's like being a detective, figuring out the why behind the problem before prescribing a solution.

Speaker B

So tell me more about Dr.

Speaker B

Mannion's personal journey into this.

Speaker C

He actually became a teacher at 30 and quickly realized that the traditional science teaching methods weren't working for every student.

Speaker C

This led him to explore self regulated learning, a method where students have more ownership over what and how they learn.

Speaker B

Now, I've heard this term self regulated learning before, but I think it would be helpful for our listener to understand exactly what that means.

Speaker C

It's a great point.

Speaker C

Essentially, self regulated learning empowers students to take an active role in their learning process.

Speaker C

It's about setting goals, monitoring progress, and adjusting strategies, rather than simply passively absorbing information.

Speaker B

So it's not just about giving students more freedom, it's about giving them the tools and skills to manage that freedom effectively.

Speaker B

Hmm.

Speaker B

That makes sense.

Speaker B

Now, Dr.

Speaker B

Mannion didn't just stumble upon this idea.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

He did extensive research on it.

Speaker C

He did.

Speaker C

Dr.

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Mannion dedicated eight years to studying the effectiveness of self regulated learning, tracking students progress and analyzing the results.

Speaker C

He even wrote a book, Making Change Stick, to share his findings and provide a framework for implementing these ideas in schools.

Speaker B

Eight years is quite a commitment, but that suggests a real depth to his findings.

Speaker B

Did his research actually show that self regulated learning works?

Speaker C

The results were impressive.

Speaker C

The students in his study achieved the best academic results the school had ever seen.

Speaker C

And significantly, the disadvantaged app almost entirely disappeared.

Speaker C

It's a powerful testament to the potential of empowering students to take ownership of their learning.

Speaker B

That's incredible.

Speaker B

I'm curious to know more about this Making Change Stick program.

Speaker B

Does it offer concrete strategies for schools to adopt?

Speaker C

It does.

Speaker C

Making Change Stick provides a clear framework and process for schools to implement self regulated learning, complete with online resources and support.

Speaker C

One key aspect is the concept of slice teams, which bring together diverse stakeholders, including teachers, administrators, parents, and even students to collaboratively address challenges and create solutions.

Speaker B

I'm really intrigued by this idea of slice teams.

Speaker B

It sounds like it could be a powerful way to break down silos and create a more holistic approach to educational change.

Speaker B

But how do they ensure that all voices are heard and that the team functions effectively?

Speaker C

It's a valid question.

Speaker C

The program provides specific guidelines and training to ensure that these teams are well structured and facilitated, allowing for open dialogue and collaborative decision making.

Speaker B

That makes sense now.

Speaker B

While Dr.

Speaker B

Mannion's work focuses on systemic change, we also have insights from Diana Munoz at Oxford Business College which highlight the power of individual empowerment, particularly for non traditional students.

Speaker C

It's a fascinating contrast.

Speaker C

Oxford Business College caters specifically to mature students who are often juggling work, family, and the demands pursuing a degree in business management.

Speaker B

That sounds incredibly challenging.

Speaker B

I imagine these students face unique obstacles compared to traditional college students.

Speaker C

Absolutely.

Speaker C

They have to balance multiple responsibilities and many come from diverse backgrounds with varied learning experiences.

Speaker C

It's not the typical college environment, but that's what makes Oxford Business College's approach so interesting.

Speaker C

They have a rigorous admissions process, but once students are in there, they create a truly supportive atmosphere with their open door policy.

Speaker B

So it's not about lowering standards, but rather about providing a supportive framework that empowers these students to succeed despite the challenges they face.

Speaker C

Exactly.

Speaker C

And the impact on the students is significant.

Speaker C

They're able to transform their career paths, many becoming entrepreneurs or advancing in their chosen fields.

Speaker B

That's inspiring.

Speaker B

Yeah, but it's not just about career advancement.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

It's also about personal growth and achieving goals that might have seemed impossible before.

Speaker C

You're right.

Speaker C

There's a powerful ripple effect.

Speaker C

These students develop new skills, gain confidence, and become role models for their families and communities.

Speaker B

Do you have a favorite story that illustrates this transformative impact.

Speaker C

There's a heartwarming anecdote about a 75 year old graduate who earned her degree defying everyone's expectations.

Speaker C

Her story embodies the spirit of resilience and determination that pervades the college.

Speaker B

That's a testament to the fact that it's never too late to pursue your dreams.

Speaker B

And this sense of community, of shared ambition, seems to be a defining characteristic of Oxford Business College.

Speaker C

Absolutely.

Speaker C

The students form lasting bonds, supporting each other's businesses and celebrating each other's successes even after graduation.

Speaker B

So while Dr.

Speaker B

Mannion focuses on transforming systems, Oxford Business College demonstrates how a supportive environment can empower individuals to achieve remarkable things, regardless of their background or age.

Speaker C

It raises an important point about the multifaceted nature of education reform.

Speaker C

It's not just about top down approaches.

Speaker C

It's also about creating nurturing spaces where individual potential can flourish.

Speaker B

And that brings us to our next deep dive, the crucial topic of creating safe learning environments, particularly for children facing significant challenges.

Speaker B

We'll hear from Karen G.

Speaker B

Foley, whose work at JPA focuses on supporting children and families from under resourced neighborhoods.

Speaker C

What's striking about JPA is the historical continuity of its mission.

Speaker C

Founded by Jane Addams in 1901, it initially served immigrant families and those where English wasn't the primary language.

Speaker C

And over a century later, they're still addressing those same needs, highlighting the persistent nature of certain societal challenges.

Speaker B

It's a reminder that while progress has been made, there's still a long way to go in ensuring equitable access to quality education and support for all children.

Speaker B

So how does JPA approach creating these safe spaces?

Speaker B

And especially when it comes to mental.

Speaker C

Health, their approach is rooted in prevention.

Speaker C

They aim to create an environment of trust and safety where children feel comfortable seeking help before issues escalate into crises.

Speaker C

They understand that for many children, fear and stigma can be significant barriers to accessing mental health support.

Speaker B

Removing that fear factor is crucial.

Speaker B

But how do they actually achieve this?

Speaker B

Are there specific strategies they employ?

Speaker C

One powerful example is their grandparent program.

Speaker C

They recognize that for some children, especially those who might have experienced trauma or instability, the presence of a caring, non judgmental adult could provide a unique sense of security.

Speaker B

So they brought grandparents into the school to interact with the children, creating this intergenerational connection.

Speaker B

That's beautiful.

Speaker C

It was incredibly effective, particularly for middle school girls who often face unique social and emotional challenges.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker C

The presence of these grandparents brought a sense of warmth and normalcy to the school environment.

Speaker B

It's amazing how something as simple as that can have such a profound impact.

Speaker B

But I imagine some children need more time and support to open up, especially if they've experienced trauma.

Speaker C

You're absolutely right.

Speaker C

JPA acknowledges that it can take a year or more for a child to feel safe enough to share their experiences, especially those who have experienced trauma.

Speaker C

And this is a critical insight for.

Speaker B

Educators to grasp because challenging behaviors often stem from deeper issues that might not be immediately apparent.

Speaker C

Exactly.

Speaker C

JPA trains educators to recognize that a child's behavior is often a form of communication, a way of expressing unmet needs or unresolved trauma.

Speaker B

So rather than simply punishing misbehavior, it's about understanding the underlying causes and responding with compassion and support.

Speaker B

Do they have any specific examples of how this works in practice?

Speaker C

There's a powerful story about a teacher who completely transformed her approach to a student who was constantly disrupting the classroom.

Speaker C

Once she learned about the trauma he had experienced, she was able to respond with every empathy and advocacy rather than punishment.

Speaker B

That's a powerful illustration of the importance of seeing the whole child understanding their individual story.

Speaker C

It also underscores the profound impact of early childhood experiences.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker C

Brain development begins in the womb, which makes safe and nurturing environments crucial from the very beginning.

Speaker C

This highlights the often underestimated influence of early childhood educators.

Speaker B

It's like laying the foundation for a strong and resilient building.

Speaker B

If the foundation is weak, it doesn't matter how fancy the structure is, it won't stand the test of time.

Speaker C

That's a great analogy, and it links back to the interconnectedness of the education system.

Speaker C

Supporting children at every stage is essential for creating lasting, positive change.

Speaker B

Alright, I'm ready for our next innovator.

Speaker B

We're heading to Gentlemen by Choice, an organization led by Richard Jack iii, which focuses on youth development and character building, particularly for young men.

Speaker C

This program is fascinating because it directly addresses a gap in traditional education by explicitly teaching soft skills like personal development, leadership, financial literacy, and even etiquette.

Speaker B

These are essential life skills that can be crucial for success, but they're often left to chance in traditional educational settings.

Speaker B

So how does Gentlemen by Choice approach teaching these skills?

Speaker C

They focus on fostering a mindset of respect, responsibility and resilience, emphasizing the importance of character development alongside academic achievement.

Speaker B

So it's not just about acquiring knowledge, it's about developing the whole person.

Speaker B

What kind of impact does this have on the students?

Speaker C

They see improvements in behavior and engagement at school, but perhaps more importantly, they develop a sense of self awareness and confidence that extends beyond the classroom.

Speaker B

That's powerful, but I'm curious.

Speaker B

What's Jack's philosophy when it comes to working with young men?

Speaker B

Does he have a particular approach that sets him apart?

Speaker C

He's a strong advocate for setting clear expectations and holding students accountable for their actions.

Speaker C

He believes in setting a standard and being a role model rather than trying to be their friend.

Speaker B

That makes sense.

Speaker B

But I imagine it's not just about being strict and authoritarian.

Speaker B

It's also about building relationships and showing that you care.

Speaker C

You're absolutely right.

Speaker C

He emphasizes connecting with students on a human level, building trust and demonstrating belief in their potential.

Speaker C

It's that balance of high expectations and genuine support that seems to resonate with the young men in his program.

Speaker B

Okay, I'm eager to hear about our next educational innovator, John Foster and his program.

Speaker B

Middle School mba.

Speaker B

It sounds like he's introducing some pretty complex concepts at a young age.

Speaker C

He is, and he does it in a really innovative way.

Speaker C

Middle School MBA teaches middle schoolers about business and economics, but instead of creating a separate program, they work through the existing classroom teachers, providing them with the curriculum and support.

Speaker B

So it's not about replacing teachers.

Speaker B

It's about empowering them with new tools and resources.

Speaker B

That's a really smart approach.

Speaker C

It is, and it creates a much deeper connection with the students because they're learning these concepts from a teacher they already know and trust.

Speaker B

That makes sense.

Speaker B

Now I'm curious about the content itself.

Speaker B

Teaching business and economics to middle schoolers seems ambitious.

Speaker B

How does Foster make these complex topics accessible to a younger audience?

Speaker C

He does a brilliant job of breaking down complex concepts into engaging activities.

Speaker C

For example, he has students building profit and loss statements, negotiating deals, and pitching business ideas.

Speaker B

So it's about making it hands on and experiential, relating these concepts to their own lives.

Speaker B

That sounds a lot more engaging than just reading a textbook.

Speaker C

Absolutely.

Speaker C

And one of the most unique aspects of his approach is his emphasis on embracing failure as a learning opportunity.

Speaker B

Wait, he actually encourages them to fail?

Speaker C

He does.

Speaker C

He tells his students, I want you to fail now.

Speaker C

Because he wants them to confront failure head on and realize that it's not the end of the world.

Speaker C

It's about picking yourself up, learning from your mistakes, and trying again.

Speaker B

That's such a valuable lesson, especially in today's world where there's so much pressure to be perfect.

Speaker B

He's teaching them resilience and a growth mindset.

Speaker B

It's about seeing failure not as a setback, but as a stepping stone.

Speaker C

Exactly.

Speaker C

And it ties into his overall message, which is one of perseverance and boldness he encourages students to take risks, pursue their passions, and believe in their ability to create their own futures.

Speaker B

Alright, now we're going to dive into a topic that's incredibly relevant in our hyper connected world.

Speaker B

Navigating the Digital world and social issues.

Speaker B

Shelby Kretz and her organization KITTL are tackling this head on, focusing on helping adults have those difficult conversations about social justice with young children.

Speaker C

This is such critical work, especially given the unprecedented access children have to information and media these days.

Speaker C

They're exposed to complex issues at a young age and often lack the tools to critically evaluate what they're seeing.

Speaker B

And it can be challenging for adults to know how to approach these sensitive topics in an age appropriate and effective way.

Speaker C

Absolutely.

Speaker C

That's where KITTL comes in.

Speaker C

They provide resources and support for parents and educators to navigate these conversations with confidence and clarity.

Speaker B

So what kind of resources do they offer?

Speaker B

Resources?

Speaker C

They have digital monthly memberships for teachers and caregivers, as well as school based programs for a more systemic approach.

Speaker C

They provide a toolkit of strategies, activities and resources that can be integrated into existing curricula or used in home settings.

Speaker B

Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker B

Yeah, but what are the core principles behind their approach?

Speaker B

What makes KITTL unique?

Speaker C

They emphasize using accurate and appropriate terminology, which is crucial for fostering respectful and nuanced dialogue.

Speaker C

They prioritize understanding different perspectives, helping children develop empathy and critical thinking skills.

Speaker B

It's about moving beyond simplistic good guy, bad guy narratives and embracing the complexities of real world issues.

Speaker C

Exactly.

Speaker C

They want to empower children to become agents of change, to see themselves as capable of making a positive difference in the world.

Speaker C

But they also want to create a sense of safety and respect, ensuring that these conversations are approached with safety, sensitivity and care.

Speaker B

That's crucial, especially when dealing with young children who are still developing their understanding of the world.

Speaker C

And it links back to the work of jpa, which also prioritizes creating safe spaces for children to explore complex emotions and learn how to navigate challenging situations.

Speaker B

Absolutely.

Speaker B

Now let's shift gears and explore another vital skill that's often overlooked in traditional education, but is absolutely essential for success in all areas of life.

Speaker B

Communication.

Speaker B

We'll be drawing on an Education on Fire episode featuring an expert who overcame his own communication challenges to become a powerful advocate for others.

Speaker C

It's a reminder that even the most accomplished individuals can have vulnerabilities, and that those vulnerabilities can often be transformed into strengths.

Speaker B

So tell me more about this expert's experience.

Speaker B

What were his initial challenges with communication?

Speaker C

He actually used to be Terrified of public speaking.

Speaker C

He even threw up during a presentation once.

Speaker C

But he was determined to overcome his fear, and he dedicated himself to improving his communication skills.

Speaker B

Wow.

Speaker B

That takes courage.

Speaker B

But it's so inspiring to hear that he was able to transform his weakness into a passion for helping others.

Speaker B

What were some of the key strategies he used to overcome his fear?

Speaker C

He emphasized the importance of practice and seeking opportunities for improvement.

Speaker C

He realized that communication is a skill, not an innate talent, and that anyone can improve with effort and guidance.

Speaker B

So it's about embracing that growth mindset, recognizing that we're all works in progress.

Speaker B

And I imagine he also stresses the importance of seeking feedback and being open to learning from others.

Speaker C

Absolutely.

Speaker C

He encourages students to engage with their teachers, ask questions, and express their thoughts.

Speaker C

He believes that open dialogue is essential for deeper learning.

Speaker B

And that brings us to a theme that's been woven throughout many of these episodes.

Speaker B

The power of community and empowerment.

Speaker C

It's a recurring motif, isn't it?

Speaker C

We've seen how crucial community support is for success, whether it's Oxford Business College fostering a sense of belonging for mature students, or jpa creating safe spaces for children and families.

Speaker B

And it extends beyond those specific examples.

Speaker B

We heard Michelle talk about the isolation she felt as a mother advocating for her son with a complex medical condition, and how that experience led her to create Thrive, a community of support for parents of children with complex needs.

Speaker C

It's a powerful reminder that we're not meant to navigate these challenges alone.

Speaker C

Community provides validation, shared experience, and a sense of hope.

Speaker B

Absolutely.

Speaker B

But it's not just about receiving support.

Speaker B

It's also about empowering others.

Speaker B

As Michelle does with Thrive, she equips parents with the knowledge and confidence to advocate for their children's needs, to navigate complex systems, and to become true champions for their families.

Speaker C

And that empowerment piece is so vital.

Speaker C

It's about recognizing the agency we all have to make positive change, even in the face of seemingly insurmountable challenges.

Speaker B

All right, I think we've covered a lot of ground in this first part of our Deep Dive.

Speaker C

We have.

Speaker C

We've explored a range of innovative approaches to education, from rethinking the system itself to empowering students with essential life skills.

Speaker B

But we're not done yet.

Speaker B

In our next segment, we'll delve deeper into the specific strategies and tools these educators and organizations are using to create positive change.

Speaker C

Stay tuned, because we'll be uncovering some truly inspiring stories and practical takeaways that you can apply to your own experiences in communities.

Speaker C

Welcome back to our Deep Dive into the innovative World of education on fire.

Speaker C

In the first part of our exploration, we laid the groundwork, examining systems change and individual empowerment within education.

Speaker C

Right now, let's shift our focus and explore some specific strategies and tools these educators are using.

Speaker B

You know, it's one thing to talk about big ideas, but I'm always interested in the practical application.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

How are these innovators actually making a difference on the ground?

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker B

I'm particularly interested in Michelle's work with Thrive, which we touched on earlier.

Speaker B

Earlier.

Speaker B

It's a wonderful example of how someone saw a need and took action to create a supportive community.

Speaker C

Michelle's story is incredibly inspiring.

Speaker C

She saw the isolation many parents experience when navigating the complex world of special needs advocacy, and she created Thrive to connect parents with each other and provide them with the tools and resources they need.

Speaker B

It's more than just a support group, though, Right.

Speaker B

Michelle offers specific advice and strategies for parents who might feel overwhelmed advocating for their children.

Speaker C

Exactly.

Speaker C

She helps parents craft effective emails to insurance companies, advocate for additional services like speech therapy from their school districts, and navigate the often confusing world of IEPs.

Speaker B

It's like she's giving them a roadmap and a toolkit, empowering them to become more effective advocates for their children.

Speaker C

And that sense of empowerment is crucial.

Speaker C

Michelle understands firsthand how isolating and disempowering it can be to feel like you're fighting these battles alone.

Speaker C

She provides not only practical advice, but also a sense of community, reminding parents that they're not alone in this journey.

Speaker B

One thing I appreciate about all the educators we've discussed so far is their focus on celebrating even the smallest victories.

Speaker B

Michelle, for example, shared a story about her son's first word.

Speaker C

Yes, and it wasn't mom or dad, as many might expect, but more.

Speaker B

Oh, wow.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

I can only imagine how meaningful that moment must have been for her.

Speaker B

It highlights the importance of celebrating those milestones, no matter how small they may seem.

Speaker C

It's a reminder that progress isn't always linear and that setbacks are a natural part of the journey.

Speaker C

But by focusing on those moments of success, we can fuel our resilience and keep moving forward.

Speaker B

Speaking of resilience, I want to circle back to Richard Jack III and gentleman by choice.

Speaker B

He seems to have a really effective approach to building that inner strength and a sense of responsibility in young men.

Speaker B

What are some of the specific strategies he uses to achieve this?

Speaker C

Well, he's very clear about setting high expectations and holding students accountable for their actions.

Speaker C

He believes in the power of discipline and structure, but it's not about being punitive or authoritarian.

Speaker C

He also emphasizes connecting with students on a personal level, building trust and demonstrating belief in their potential.

Speaker B

It's like he's saying, I believe in you and I'm going to hold you to a high standard because I know you're capable of great things.

Speaker C

Exactly.

Speaker C

It's about creating a culture of respect and accountability where students feel both challenged and supported.

Speaker C

And it's about recognizing that sometimes progress happens in increments, not overnight transformations.

Speaker B

Now, thinking about challenging students John Foster and middle school MBA also comes to mind.

Speaker B

Teaching complex economic concepts to middle schoolers is certainly ambitious.

Speaker B

How does he approach this challenge?

Speaker C

He embraces a philosophy that might seem counterintuitive at first.

Speaker C

He encourages students to fail.

Speaker B

Really?

Speaker B

He wants them to fail?

Speaker C

He does, and he's very upfront about it.

Speaker C

He tells his students, I want you to fail now because he understands that failure is an essential part of the learning process.

Speaker B

It's such a refreshing perspective.

Speaker B

So often we try to shield children from failure, but he's recognizing that it's through our mistakes that we learn and grow.

Speaker C

Exactly.

Speaker C

By normalizing failure, he's helping students develop resilience and a growth mindset.

Speaker C

They learn to see setbacks not as defeats but as opportunities for improvement.

Speaker B

And he's not just talking about failure in the abstract.

Speaker B

He uses real world scenarios to help students understand these concepts.

Speaker C

That's right, he has them building profit and loss statements, negotiating deals, and pitching business ideas.

Speaker C

These hands on activities bring the concepts to life and make learning more engaging and relevant to their lives.

Speaker B

It's a great example of how experiential learning can be so effective.

Speaker C

And it ties into a larger theme.

Speaker C

We've been exploring the importance of connecting learning to real world applications.

Speaker C

Whether it's teaching business concepts or social justice principles, these educators understand that learning is most impactful when students can see its relevance to their own lives and the world around them.

Speaker B

Speaking of social justice, let's dive back into the work of Shelby, Kretz and Kittel.

Speaker B

It's incredibly relevant given the complexities of the digital age and the fact that children are exposed to so much information at such a young age.

Speaker C

It's a it's crucial to equip both parents and educators with the tools they need to have those tough conversations about social justice.

Speaker B

Absolutely.

Speaker B

But it's not just about having the conversations.

Speaker B

It's about having them in a way that's both age appropriate and effective.

Speaker C

Kittel emphasizes a few key strategies.

Speaker C

They stress the importance of using accurate and appropriate terminology that makes sense.

Speaker B

Words matter, especially when discussing sensitive topics.

Speaker C

They also prioritize understanding different perspectives and encouraging critical thinking skills.

Speaker C

They want children to be able to analyze information, form their own opinions, and engage in respectful dialogue, even when discussing challenging issues.

Speaker B

It's about moving beyond simplistic narratives and embracing the complexities of real world issues.

Speaker C

Exactly.

Speaker C

Kittl wants to empower children to become agents of change, but they also recognize the importance of creating safe spaces for these conversations to take place.

Speaker B

That sense of safety is crucial, especially when discussing topics that can be emotionally charged.

Speaker B

Children need to feel heard and respected, knowing that their questions and perspectives are.

Speaker C

Valued, and it links back to what we've been discussing about creating safe learning environments in general.

Speaker C

Whether we're talking about addressing mental health needs or exploring complex social issues.

Speaker C

The foundation is creating a culture of trust and respect.

Speaker B

You're right.

Speaker B

It's about creating a space where children feel comfortable asking questions, expressing their thoughts and feelings, and seeking help when they need it.

Speaker C

And it's about recognizing that everyone has their own unique journey and timeline for growth.

Speaker C

Some children might need more time to open up, especially if they've experienced trauma or adversity.

Speaker B

Patience and understanding are crucial.

Speaker B

It's about meeting children where they are and supporting them as they navigate their own individual paths.

Speaker B

Right now, shifting gears a bit, let's talk about a skill that's often overlooked but is absolutely essential for success in all areas of life.

Speaker B

Communication.

Speaker B

We heard from an expert on education on fire who overcame his own struggles with public speaking to become a powerful advocate for others.

Speaker C

It's a reminder that even the most accomplished individuals can have vulnerabilities, and it's inspiring to see how he transformed his fear into a passion for helping others find their voice.

Speaker B

I'm curious to know more about the specific advice he offers.

Speaker B

What are some of the key strategies he uses to help others develop their communication skills?

Speaker C

He really emphasizes the importance of taking responsibility for one's education and advocating for one's needs.

Speaker C

He encourages students to engage with their teachers, ask questions, and express their thoughts.

Speaker B

It's about creating that open dialogue that's so essential for deeper learning.

Speaker B

But what about those students who are afraid to speak up, who lack confidence in their communication abilities?

Speaker B

What advice does he offer them?

Speaker C

He stresses the value of practice and seeking opportunities for improvement.

Speaker C

He reminds us that communication is a skill, not an innate talent, and that anyone can improve with effort and guidance.

Speaker B

It's all about embracing that growth mindset, focusing on progress rather than perfection, and using those moments of challenge as opportunities.

Speaker C

To grow exactly and it reminds me of Dr.

Speaker C

James Mannion's work with the Making Change Stick program.

Speaker C

He also emphasizes the importance of continuous improvement, of embracing a culture of learning and growth, not just for students, but for some caterers as well.

Speaker B

And there's another common thread that connects many of these innovators.

Speaker B

Their belief in the power of technology to enhance learning.

Speaker C

Absolutely.

Speaker C

We've seen examples like jamf, which helps schools effectively manage Apple devices, or rm, which supports essential IT infrastructure, allowing schools to focus on teaching and learning rather than technical headaches.

Speaker C

And of course, there's Cahoots, which is transforming how students engage with learning.

Speaker B

Let's talk about Kahoots for a moment.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker B

It's a platform that many people associate with fun quizzes, but it's evolved into so much more than that.

Speaker C

You're right.

Speaker C

Kahoot has expanded to offer a wider range of learning experiences, from asynchronous student led gameplay to professional development opportunities for educators.

Speaker C

And at the heart of their philosophy is this idea of creating campfire moments.

Speaker B

I love that analogy.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

Captures that sense of community and shared experience that Kahoot fosters.

Speaker B

It's about bringing people together around a common purpose, sparking curiosity and igniting that joy of learning.

Speaker C

And those campfire moments can extend beyond the digital realm.

Speaker C

Think about Michelle's Thrive community.

Speaker C

That's a real life campfire, providing warmth, support and connection for parents who are navigating a challenging journey.

Speaker B

And it highlights the importance of human connection, of recognizing that we're all in this together.

Speaker B

We can learn from each other's experiences, support each other's growth, and celebrate each other's successes.

Speaker C

It's a powerful message, especially in the world of education, where collaboration and shared learning are essential for creating positive change.

Speaker B

Well, we've covered a lot of ground, but we're not quite done yet.

Speaker B

We have one more segment to go.

Speaker B

We'll wrap up our deep dive by exploring some final takeaways and leaving you with some provocative questions to ponder.

Speaker B

Welcome back to the final part of our deep dive into Education on Fire.

Speaker C

We've journeyed through a diverse landscape of educational approaches, meeting passionate individuals who are truly dedicated to empowering students.

Speaker C

As we wrap up this deep dive, I'm curious to hear your final reflections.

Speaker C

What stands out to you as the most significant takeaways?

Speaker B

I think what's most striking is the shift in perspective we're seeing.

Speaker B

These educators are moving away from the traditional one size fits all model and embracing a more individualized approach.

Speaker B

They recognize that every student has unique strengths, challenges, and learning styles.

Speaker C

Dr.

Speaker C

Mannion's backward design concept really exemplifies this shift.

Speaker C

It's about starting with the desired outcome and working backward to identify the most effective strategies.

Speaker C

It's a much more intentional and targeted approach compared to traditional methods, and it underscores the importance of collaboration, bringing together diverse stakeholders to create solutions that truly address the complexities of the educational landscape.

Speaker B

We've also seen the crucial role that community plays in fostering success.

Speaker B

From Oxford Business College creating a supportive environment for mature students to JPA's century long dedication to serving under resourced families, the message is clear.

Speaker B

We thrive when we feel connected and supported.

Speaker C

And it's not just about receiving support.

Speaker C

It's also about empowering others to become advocates for themselves and their communities.

Speaker C

Michelle's work with Thrive perfectly illustrates this.

Speaker C

She empowers parents to navigate complex systems and become champions for their children.

Speaker B

We've also seen how technology can be a powerful tool for enhancing learning and connection.

Speaker B

Cahoots, for example, has evolved from a simple quiz platform to a versatile tool for creating engaging learning experiences and fostering those campfire moments that bring people together.

Speaker C

It's about using technology thoughtfully and strategically to support the core principles of effective education.

Speaker C

It's not about replacing human connection, but rather about amplifying it.

Speaker B

Another recurring theme has been the emphasis on soft skills.

Speaker B

Whether it's Richard Jack III instilling leadership principles in Gentlemen by Choice or John Foster teaching middle schoolers about failure through middle school mba, these educators are equipping students with essential life skills that go beyond traditional academics.

Speaker C

These skills, like resilience, communication, and critical thinking, are vital for navigating the complexities of the 21st century, both personally and professionally.

Speaker B

And it's inspiring to see how these educators are approaching these topics in innovative and engaging ways.

Speaker B

John Foster's embrace of failure as a learning opportunity is a perfect example.

Speaker B

It's about shifting mindsets and challenging traditional notions of success.

Speaker C

It's about preparing students not just for standardized tests, but for the real world where adaptability, creativity, and problem solving skills are paramount.

Speaker B

So as we conclude this deep dive, I want to leave our listener with a question.

Speaker B

How can you be a catalyst for positive change in your own sphere of influence?

Speaker B

Whether you're an educator, a parent, a student, or simply someone who cares about the future of learning, there are countless ways to make a difference.

Speaker C

You could explore some of the resources we've discussed today, connect with these inspiring individuals and organizations, or simply start by having conversations about these issues, share these stories, spark curiosity, and ignite that same passion for innovation in others.

Speaker B

It's about recognizing that education is not a static system, but a dynamic and evolving process.

Speaker B

By embracing these innovative ideas, fostering supportive communities, and empowering the next generation, we can create a future where every student has the opportunity to thrive.

Speaker C

Right?

Speaker B

Thanks for joining us on this deep dive.

Speaker A

Thanks for listening to the Education on Fire podcast.

Speaker A

For more information of each episode and to get in touch, go to educationonfire.

Speaker B

Com.

Speaker A

Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.

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